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Oral history interview with Helen Segall

Oral History | Digitized | Accession Number: 2017.398.1 | RG Number: RG-50.106.0264

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    Oral history interview with Helen Segall

    Overview

    Interview Summary
    Helen Segall (née Runia Szwom), born on February 8, 1931 in Dubno, Poland (now in Ukraine), discusses being an only child; her father Hirsch Leib Szwom, who was a grain merchant; her mother Czarna Ajzenberg Szwom, who was a Zionist; living in a mixed neighborhood of Jews and non-Jews; having a large extended family, speaking Polish at home and Yiddish to her grandparents; experiencing antisemitism in her school and around the village; the bombings in 1939 and the Soviet occupation after; having to host a Russian soldier and his wife in their house; the liquidation of her father’s business; her mother’s work in a department store because she spoke Russian; the German occupation beginning in July 1941; wearing an armband with a blue Jewish star and later a yellow star on the front and back of her coat; the restrictions placed on Jews; the executions of communists; the first major Aktion on August 21, 1941, during which her father and his two brothers and two brothers-in-law were taken to the police station, beaten by Ukrainians, taken to the Jewish cemetery to dig graves, and shot; hiding under the bed with her mother and other relatives; the arrest of her mother; her aunt being beaten and killed after trying to visit Helen's mother in jail; staying in her house; having to turn in the radio, Leica camera, and jewelry; giving furniture and clothing to friends; experiencing constant humiliation on streets; reading Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn, and Uncle Tom’s Cabin; moving into the fenced ghetto on April 2, 1942 when she was 11 years old; the division of the ghetto between workers and non-workers (mostly children and elderly); the liquidation on May 27, 1942 of the non-workers’ side of the ghetto; her mother working in a jam factory pitting cherries; her mother buying false papers; leaving the ghetto with her mother in late July and going to the house of a friend (Boris); her mother staying with Boris’s sister; being treated well and working in the field; being told by Boris to go to her mother in September 1942; finding her Aunt Natalie at a Ukrainian farmer’s house and being thrown out with her; begging for food and shelter; passing as Christian and using the false name “Halina Pikus”; going with her aunt to the Mizocz Ghetto and seeing a deportation on October 13, 1942; hiding in an oven with her aunt and escaping when the building caught on fire; hiding in an outhouse, being found by a Ukrainian Schutz Politzei, and taken to a Gestapo prison; being let go by an SS man who told them to leave; seeing her mother a few days later after being separated from her for four months; her mother marrying Alexander Schwartz, a Jewish lawyer from Lodz with a false Russian passport; going with her mother and Alexander and following along with the Germans in a cattle car to Minsk, Belarus; going to Warsaw and seeing hanging bodies; crossing the border into Germany and living in the train for 3-4 months in Koenig Forest near Cologne while barracks were being built; pretending to be Polish and being taken to a Cologne hospital with German children; her building being hit by V2 bombs and being taken to a rest house on the Rhine River; going back to the labor camp in mid-May 1944; her mother working on a construction site and their coping with bed bugs, barley with worms, and rotten potatoes until the war ended; her aunt becoming pregnant and giving birth in September 1944; the Germans disappearing in May 1945; walking towards Cologne and seeing American soldiers; living in one room in a displaced persons (DP) camp run by the UNWRA; returning to school at age 14 in a monastery for one year; going to Lippstadt, Germany still using her Polish identity; taking four years to complete 4th grade through high school while living in a dormitory; her stepfather having a stroke and becoming paralyzed in 1946; her mother getting the Red Cross to contact her uncle in Milwaukee, WI and getting papers to immigrate in September 1949; sailing from Bremerhaven, Germany on the military ship “General McRea”; changing her name to Helen Schwartz; apprenticing to a seamstress; going in February 1950 to her father’s brother in Plymouth, MA, who owned Schwom’s (a department store); attending Simmons College; being a cataloger of the Slavic collection at the Widener Library at Harvard and then chief cataloger at the Law School; marrying in 1954 and moving to Philadelphia, PA; having two children; receiving a government fellowship at Bryn Mawr and earning a Ph.D in Russian literature; teaching at Dickinson College from 1977 to 2000; becoming a citizen after getting married; how she feels very American especially when abroad; being depressed after the war after losing so many relatives and friends; receiving reparations; going to Dubno with her family in 1991; her memories of Mizocz; speaking about her experiences; writing her memoir; and feeling grateful for being saved by her mother, aunt, Boris, a Ukrainian guard, a German engineer (Herman Graeb) in Mizocz, her blonde hair, her knowledge of Polish, and blind luck.
    Interviewee
    Helen Segall
    Interviewer
    Gail Schwartz
    Date
    interview:  2017 February 21
    Geography
    creation: Washington (D.C.)

    Physical Details

    Language
    English
    Extent
    digital files : MPEG-4.

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    Keywords & Subjects

    Topical Term
    Antisemitism in education--Ukraine. Antisemitism--Ukraine. Autobiography. Bombing, Aerial--Germany--Cologne. Catalogers. Communists--Crimes against--Ukraine. Forced labor. Hidden children (Holocaust)--Ukraine. Hiding places--Ukraine. Holocaust survivors--United States. Holocaust, Jewish (1939-1945)--Personal narratives. Jewish businesspeople--Ukraine. Jewish children in the Holocaust. Jewish ghettos--Ukraine--Dubno. Jewish ghettos--Ukraine--Mizoch. Librarians. Mass murder--Ukraine--Dubno. Massacres--Ukraine--Dubno. Mothers and daughters. Passing (Identity) Refugee camps--Germany. Roll calls. Soldiers--Billeting--Ukraine. Soldiers--Soviet Union. Star of David badges. Starvation. World War, 1939-1945--Atrocities--Ukraine. World War, 1939-1945--Children--Ukraine. World War, 1939-1945--Concentration camps--Germany--Cologne. World War, 1939-1945--Conscript labor. Zionists. Women--Personal narratives.
    Personal Name
    Segall, Helen, 1931-

    Administrative Notes

    Provenance
    Gail Schwartz, on behalf of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Oral History Branch, conducted the interview with Helen Segall on February 21, 2017.
    Funding Note
    The cataloging of this oral history interview has been supported by a grant from the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany.
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    2023-11-16 08:13:22
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