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Barbie Trial -- Day 17 -- A witness testifies

Film | Accession Number: 2005.516.1 | RG Number: RG-60.1631 | Film ID: 3994

15:48 A witness, Mrs. Francine Gudefin, testifies; she describes torture carried out by Francis André and by Barbie, and being forced to watch her brother being waterboarded; the witness describes a serious injury to her ear, as well as to her vertebral column; she describes the "chambre des torturés" (room of the tortured people) in the basement of the Gestapo headquarters at Place Bellecourt; description of an injury sustained during torture which left her face permanently disfigured

16:07 President Cerdini asks the witness how many times she was interrogated, and whether Barbie ever explicitly told her that she would be deported; she describes the circumstances of her departure on August 11, 1944, and confirms Barbie's presence at the train station; she claims that Barbie interrogated her inside the train while it traveled from Lyon to Dijon; she describes her deportation to Ravensbrück and her long convalescence in a Russian hospital

16:26 The Attorney General asks the witness to explain how she identified Barbie; reads a previous statement given by the witness in which she did not identify Barbie as her interrogator

16:29 Prosecutor Iannucci reads a statement given by Barbie in which he denied ever being present at a deportation; Iannucci reads a list of 10 witnesses and victims who have testified to seeing Barbie at their deportation

16:30 Prosecutor Zelmati asks the witness whether the torture inflicted by Francis André was on Barbie's order; she replies that it was

16:32 Defense attorney Vergès comments on the contradictions between different testimonies given by the witness regarding her interactions with Barbie; her comments are discussed by Vergès, Cerdini, and the Attorney General

16:41 Prosecutor Jakubowicz comments that there is no ambiguity regarding the witness' confrontation with Barbie on November 15, 1944; Mrs. Gudefin comments on the subject of that conversation

16:45 Vergès comments that Mrs. Gudefin's testimony varies with each repetition

16:45 President Cerdini suspends the hearing

16:46 End of tape

Event:  1987 June 04
Lyon, France
Accessed at US Holocaust Memorial Museum, courtesy of Institut National de L'Audiovisuel
Record last modified: 2020-02-04 10:39:14
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