Oral history interview with Jenny Zavatsky

Oral History | Accession Number: 2000.91.24 | RG Number: RG-50.493.0024

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Interviewee: Jenny Zavatsky
Interviewer: Joan Schwartz
Date: interview: 1992 November 22
Language: English
Extent: 2 videocassettes (U-Matic) : sound, color ; 3/4 in..

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Special Collection: The Jeff and Toby Herr Oral History Archive
Topical Term: Holocaust, Jewish (1939-1945)--Personal narratives.
Holocaust survivors--United States.
Personal Name: Zavatsky, Jenny.
Holder of Originals: Orange County California Anti-Defamation League
Legal Status: Permanent Collection
Provenance: Joan Schwartz on behalf of the Anti-Defamation League, Orange County, California, conducted the interview with Jenny Zavatsky on November 22, 1992. The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum received the copy of the interview from the Anti-Defamation League, Orange County, California on May 3, 2000.
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