Oral history interview with Rachel Kizhnerman and Shelly Weiner
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- Shelly Weiner
- Dr. Marcia Horn
2006 November 14
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- United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Collection, Gift of Marcia Horn
Rachel Kizhnerman (born January 16, 1936) and her cousin Shelly Weiner (born August 25, 1937), both born in Rovno, Poland (now Rivne, Ukraine), describe being very young when the Holocaust began; their childhoods; Rachel’s early life in the little village of Miagin; Shelly recounts non-Jews being angry at her grandfather and poisoning his well after which the entire family was sick; the German occupation; having to wear the yellow star; Rachel's father being taken away and not seen again; Shelley’s memories of living in a ghetto with her mother in 1941; many of Shelly’s family being marched to trenches and shot; Shelly's mother escaping with Shelly to Rachel's mother's home; hiding with a neighboring farmer; hiding in his attic for 18 months and leaving in the summer time; hiding in cornfields in August and having no food or water for three days; returning to the farm, where the farmer made a place in the barn for them; playing games and telling stories to pass the time; Rachel's mother contracting pneumonia; the strength of their mothers; Shelly's house being bombed in 1944; being liberated by the Russian Army in 1944; Shelly learning that some of her cousins and her grandfather had been killed by Ukrainian nationalists; the pogroms in Poland after the war; Shelly and her mother staying in a displaced persons camp before immigrating to the US in 1949; Rachel and her mother returning to Ukraine and later Rachel attended school in Leningrad (Saint Petersburg, Russia); Shelly's mother finding Rachel and corresponding with her; Shelly's mother helping Rachel and her family to come to the US in 1980; initially settling in Philadelphia, PA; how Americanization was different for Shelly and Rachel; Shelly’s experience first sharing her story; Shelly becoming an active member in the NC State Council on the Holocaust; Rachel’s experience in the Soviet Union, where she people did not discuss the Holocaust; their children and speaking about their Holocaust experiences; and the lessons they learned from the Holocaust.
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Simone Weil Lipman, born in Ringendorf, France in 1920, describes her family moving to Strasbourg three years after her birth; her father’s work as a shepherd who also owned land in Alsace; living with her parents, brother, paternal grandmother, and a maid; attending public school, specializing in classical studies and early childhood education; also attending Hebrew school, where she had a solid Jewish education; being active as a leader in the Jewish youth movement; being a nursery school teacher in a Paris Montessori school after the war started; the German occupation of France and her family fleeing to a farm in Dordogne, France; selling produce in town and bicycling for transportation; going to help the OSE (Oeuvre de Secours aux Enfants) with a friend, Andree Salomon, in Rivesaltes in 1941; organizing children's activities and helping in the infirmary; finding channels to provide children with false papers and homes in Southern France; the closing of Rivesaltes in 1942; having jaundice and hepatitis; getting a job near Limoges in Poulouzat (a village in Condat-sur-Vienne), tutoring children and organizing activities; the OSE organizing an underground network, led by Georg Garel; being given the false name of Simone Werlin, along with false papers, and passing as a non-Jewish nurse; being assisted by some Catholic and Protestant organizations and getting money through Switzerland; being almost arrested once; her father being taken away in April 1944 but being able to escape; opening a preschool near Paris for young children who had lost their parents after the war; opening a training center for teens; being offered a scholarship by the National Council of Jewish Women in the U.S., and leaving in October 1945 to study at Tulane University's School of Social Work; attending Western Reserve in Cleveland, where she met her future husband; earning a master's in social work; her sons and grandchildren; reading Elie Wiesel; moving to Syracuse in 1964 and beginning to talk about her Holocaust experiences; helping create a children-of-survivors group, Le Petite Monde, and talking with other groups; moving back to France for three years in the 1980s; moving to Chapel Hill, NC; telling her story at schools, churches, and synagogues; becoming active in the Hidden Child Foundation; attending OSE reunions; and her reflections on the Holocaust.
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Regine N. Archer (née Nozyce), born in December 5, 1924 in Krakow, Poland, describes moving to Liège, Belgium when she was 5 years old to live with her aunt and her husband; her mother and sister moving to Liège one-and-a-half years later; her parents’ fur business; her Jewish education; the German invasion of Belgium in May 1940 when she was 15 years old; the restrictions placed on Jews and the start of deportations; her father being head of the Jewish council in Liège; going into hiding with her sister in a convent in Wavre, Belgium; the mayor of Wavre working in the underground and helping to issue false papers; receiving the false name Renee Nogis and her sister received the name Jaqueline; learning shorthand and typing in the convent; no one knowing their true identities except Mother Superior and a priest; seeing their parents during vacations; taking a job with a lawyer in early 1944; the Allied bombings and providing medical care in a Carmelite convent; the lack of morphine; the area being liberated in September 1944; returning to Liège; becoming a head typist and interpreter at an army quarter master depot; meeting her American husband, James Archer, in Liège in 1944; immigrating to the US in January 1947; her life in the US; James dying in 1972 and remarrying; working at Blue Ridge Beverage Company in Salem, VA; visiting her sister in Belgium and traveling through Germany; her strong faith; lessons from the Holocaust; and her gratitude for the Christians who helped her family.
Nathan Kranowski, born September 26, 1937 in Paris, France, describes his Polish parents, Mala and Wolf Kranowski, (both born in 1907); living in a Jewish immigrant neighborhood; antisemitism; the German occupation of France and Jews having to register at French police stations; his father’s arrest and transfer to Drancy in 1941 and his later deportation to Auschwitz, where he was killed; his mother’s similar fate in 1942; staying with his aunt for a while before being sent to a Christian family in Brittany; receiving a false identity and the new name Pierre; going to church and learning the catechism; his life on the farm with the Christian family and not attending school; returning to his aunt at the end of the war, but her inability to keep him; spending time in orphanages run by the OSE (OEuvre de secours aux enfants); being sent to live with his aunt’s sister in New York City in 1948; the story of his cousin Jack avoiding deportation; living with his aunt and uncle Esther and Paul Turletsky; attending school (P.S. 47 in the Bronx); learning English; attending City College and earning a Ph.D. in French literature at Columbia University; teaching French at Rutgers University and Hollins College; earning an MA in accounting and became a CPA until he retired; his observant wife; his religious views and how they changed; investigation what happened to his parents; and speaking to groups about his experience.
Libuse Pavova discusses living under the Nazi occupation of Czechoslovakia; her background as a Catholic; the disappearance of a young Jewish girl with whom she was friends; her memories of a Jewish neighbor who refused to wear a Star of David badge and hid in nearby homes until the end of the war; witnessing the destruction of synagogues; and her life under Communism during Soviet rule.