Oral history interview with Avram Avramovic

Oral history interview with Albert Nahmias

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Albert Nahmias, born in 1915 in Bitola, Yugoslavia (present day Macedonia), discusses moving with his family to Thessaloniki, Greece in 1917 after the bombardments during World War I; the Jewish community in Thessaloniki; opening a branch of his business in Skopje, Yugoslavia (present day Macedonia) and the German arrival in Skopje in April 1941; heading towards Tirana, Albania on March 22, 1942; being imprisoned as a communist in Tirana; being freed after the Italian capitulation and hiding in a local village with friends and relatives; escaping by boat for Italy in December 1943 and being rescued by the British Army; being given British identification cards; being transferred to Bari, Italy; traveling all over Italy to Milan and Rome; discovering his family was living in Athens, Greece; traveling from Bari to Greece in December 1945; the Jewish community in Thessaloniki after the war; his marriage in 1948; establishing a family business in Thessaloniki; his views on how Jews survived and the propaganda in the Jewish community; and the rabbis who collaborated with the Nazis.

Oral history interview with Denise Nahmias

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Dennise Nahmias (née Angel), born in 1924 in Saloniki (Thessalonike), Greece, describes how her brother and father moved to Athens, Greece in 1941 in order to advance their manufacturing business; the German occupation in April 1941; how their house was requisitioned by a German officer and they were evicted; how she and her mother were allowed to travel to Athens; going into hiding with her family when Athens fell into German hands; how they scattered and lived with three different Gentile Greek families, including a former landlord of theirs, a lawyer (who also housed other Jews as well as communists and soldiers), and an employee of the French Academy; how all of her family survived in hiding until the end of the war; and how she eventually married another survivor, Albert Joseph Nahmias.

Oral history interview with Lily Molho

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Lily Molho, born in Salonica (Thessaloníki), Greece in 1916, describes how she, her husband Saul, and her son Antonakis (Anthony) survived the Holocaust by going into hiding; the German invasion of Greece in 1941; how the Jewish community of Thessaloníki was divided into ghettos; how the German officers entered Jewish homes to take whatever they wanted; being forced to leave their baby son first in Thessaloníki and then in the Monastery of Divine Providence in Athens, Greece, while she worked as a cook and maid and her husband joined the Greek Partisan Party (a branch of the National Liberation Front (Ethnikon Apeleutherōtikon Metōpon or EAM)); changing their family name to Panayotidou; being protected in the Monastery of Divine Providence by Belgian Sister Eleni Kapar, who found her employment and arranged weekly visits with Antonakis; being reunited with her husband after the war; returning to Thessaloníki and finding that their stores had been plundered; waiting for relatives to return; trying to rebuild their lives; the birth of their daughter, Marcela, in 1948; immigrating to the United States in 1955; going to Cleveland, OH; becoming a language teacher; and going to college to obtain advanced degrees.

Oral history interview with Luisa Salem

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Luisa Salem, born in Thessaloniki, Greece in 1926, discusses her family; her father, who was a businessman and her mother, who was originally from Monastir, Macedonia; her brother Isaac; her childhood and speaking Spanish, French, and Italian; attending an Italian school, where most of the children were Jewish; living in a residence, where the Spanish Vice-Consul (Solomon Ezratty) lived on the first floor; the arrival of the Germans in April 1941; experiencing little fear at the beginning of the occupation and the absence of general antisemitic laws; an increasing number of reprisals against individual Jewish families; the horror in July 1942 when all men were forced to perform physical exercise for the entire afternoon in the Plateia Eleftherias at gunpoint; the requirement for Jews to register and wear the Star of David; the roundup and enclosure of her family in Kalamaria at the end of February 1943; living in a house with two stories and two families on each floor; the first deportations of Jews from Thessaloniki in March 1943; the growing fears about the families’ fate; the departure of her cousin Luis Pardoe and his family for Brazil; her father securing forged papers, providing family members with Greek names; departing from the ghetto to the old house of the Spanish consulate; receiving help from Rachel Ezratty; traveling by bus to Katarini (Katerine) and going on to Leptokaria, where they waited for a train to go to Athens; receiving help from Greek resistance members, who led them to Mt. Olympus, over Kissavos Mountain (Mount Ossa) to Larissa; staying in Larissa for three weeks, protected by partisans; going across the Pineios River to reach Italian-occupied Greece, led by smugglers who remained on the German side of the river because they were forced to register with the Nazis; finding their family members in Athens in May-June 1943; being relatively safe, but being forced to change residences several times because of betrayals; the liberation in December 1944; their difficult living conditions; returning to Thessaloniki; and her marriage in 1946 to an Auschwitz survivor who lost most of his family.

Oral history interview with Rula Frances

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Rula Frances, born in Volos, Greece, discusses her early family life; how Volos was first occupied by the Italians and then the Germans; the German restrictions on Jews; how her brother-in-law was warned by an Italian officer that his name was on a deportation list; moving to Thessaloniki, Greece; going to Athens, Greece; being given Greek identities by the Chief of Police in Volos; her immediate family hiding in various houses in Athens; being taken in by the Chief of Police, Tagaris, for a year and being betrayed by his maid; going to live with her mother; working in the offices of the Red Cross for the remainder of the war while the rest of her family remained in hiding; the survival of her immediate family; and her marriage in 1953.

Oral history interview with Silvia Sevi

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Silva Sevi (née Molho), born in Thessaloniki, Greece, describes her family; getting along well with the Greeks in the neighborhood; hearing the sounds of the attack when the Germans entered Thessaloniki; how the Jews were assembled in the city square and forced to stay there for a long time in the heat while they were beaten; how the Greek citizens wanted to help the Jews but were prevented from doing so by the Germans; how the Germans started taking young Jewish men, including her brother, for forced labor; her brother’s eventual death at Birkenau; being allowed to stay in their homes but experiencing many restrictions; being moved to the Jewish ghetto; having to give up their belongings, for which they received receipts; the organization of a Jewish administration to execute the German orders; the Jewish police force; how their rabbi told them that life in Poland would be better; being taken on the third transport with her family; enduring a torturous journey of seven days; arriving at Birkenau and how the Nazis were beating the captives; the removal of the dead from the train; giving up her jewelry, stripping, being shaved, and getting her number tattooed on her arm; the cruelty of the prison guards, including female guards; being taken with her sister, Ida, to a quarantine barrack for several weeks; witnessing the killings of newly arrived children; being sent with her sister to a block, where they were forced to do hard labor and were beaten; the conditions of the barrack and the other inmates; building steps and banks for the river; getting caught once drinking water from the river and being beaten; being transferred to Auschwitz, where she remained until January 2, 1945; going through nine selections; attempting to take food from a garbage bin with another girl, who was caught and beaten, while she remained hidden in the bin; the great kindness she received from a Russian kitchen worker; black market dealings in the compound; how her sister was taken to the hospital in Birkenau because she had typhus and died; being forced to march to a train, which they rode for three days without food or water; staying in Ravensbrück for a week then going to another labor camp, where she stayed until May; going into hiding for one night while all the Germans were running away; being liberated by Russian soldiers; how Russian soldiers raped many of the women she was with before a Yiddish-speaking Russian protected them; rummaging through German houses; being placed in a displaced persons camp; the three month journey back to Greece; being helped by Jews in Sofia, Bulgaria and the Joint; not finding any of her family; getting married to a survivor of Auschwitz; and her children and their success.

Oral history interview with Esther Massarano

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Esther Massarano (née Narumi), born in Larisa, Greece, describes her family and early life; how life was very pleasant even under the Italian occupation; how, when the Germans entered Greece, a Greek man she knew offered to hide her family in Falani, Greece; going to Falani and being given false identity papers; how most of the Jews of Larisa survived either by hiding or by joining the partisans; how approximately 200 of 1,000 Jews from Larisa were killed by the Germans; her family’s activities with the partisans; how her family received new documents from the National Liberation Front (Ethnikon Apeleutherōtikon Metōpon (EAM)) and moved to another village called Vlakhoyianni (Sapunachis); hiding in the mountains when the Germans came briefly to Vlakhoyianni; the fates of her extended family; her belief that many people in Salonika (Thessalonike), Greece could have escaped; and how she and her husband, who is a survivor of Auschwitz, have three daughters and four grandchildren.

Oral history interview with Solomon Cohen

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Solomon Chinocos Cohen, born in Salonica (Thessalonike), Greece, in 1917, describes his family; the fates of his immediate family members; attending Lycee Francais and graduating in 1938; going to Skadar (possibly Shkodër, Albania) in 1938 for two years; joining the army and fighting the Italians from October 1940 to April 1941; being taken in July 1942 as a forced laborer; how the family was taken to a ghetto, Rumlaulji; how they planned to escape either to Athens, Greece or the mountains; how a Greek partisan named Calidopolus, who was a son of a general, helped them get to the mountains; how his family was not politically motivated to join the underground but did so to save themselves; making contact with the National Liberation Front (EAM) partisans in 1943; how the family was led to Mount Paiku; being assigned to a battalion under Captain Mavros as a supply sergeant because he had been a sergeant when he fought the Italians; battles against the Germans, which took place until liberation; life in the partisan unit; his brother’s activities with the partisans and British; his life after the war; and his marriage to a woman who converted to Judaism.

Oral history interview with Eva Carasso

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Oral history interview with Avram Avramovic

Oral History

Avram Avramovic, born in Beograd, Yugoslavia (present day Belgrade, Serbia) in 1909, discusses his early family life; the beginnings of war in April 1941 and his mobilization into the army; going to Užice, Yugoslavia (present day Serbia) and returning to Beograd, where he registered as a Jew; being sent to work as a forced laborer, removing bombed out buildings; going through selection processes, where the Jews were lined up and the tenth person was shot; his memories of one Austrian soldier named Egon; taking a train to Beograd and declining an offer to join the partisans; surviving a train track explosion and going to Skopje, Macedonia; being detained by police and sent to Beograd; deciding not to register as a Jew; traveling with his friend, Karic, to Kosovo and Albania bribing border guards along the way; being advised by an Italian commander to leave Shkodër, Albania; sailing on a ship to Split, Croatia, where he lived the Serbian name Alexandric, joined the Split partisans, and was integrated into a partisan unit, the Third Battalion Biokovske Brigade; traveling to Hvar Island and Vis Island, and being given instructions to go to the island of Brač on June 1, 1944; one particular conflict, which involved witnessing an aerial battle between German Messerschmitt and British Spitfires as well as surviving a mortar round because his backpack was protecting his head; liberating Split; being sent to Bilac, Croatia; resting in Hvar; going back to Beograd, where he demobilized himself; working at reunification offices in various locations; being remobilized as an officer in Pirot, Serbia; going to Israel and being in the Israeli Army; immigrating to South America, where he lived in Uruguay and Argentina; his marriage to a Yugoslavian woman; the death of his entire family; and his many name changes.

Oral history interview with Isidor Papo

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Oral history interview with Talma Shpancer

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Talma Shpancer (née Rena Deutch), born in 1937 in Belgrade, Yugoslavia (now in Serbia), describes growing up in a middle-class family living comfortably in Belgrade; her father, Atso, who was born in Budapest, Hungary and worked as a traveling merchant in Serbia; the bombardment of Belgrade on April 16, 1941; fleeing with her family (her father, her mother Matilda Levi, and her younger sister Elvira) in her father’s car; going to Berschevitch (Beršići, Serbia), where her father arranged to stay in the house of a business connection, Shavitch; finding a better location in the house of the Shtokovitch family; not wearing yellow badges and moving freely about the village; how the villagers knew that the family was Jewish; the betrayal of the family in April 1942; the gendarmes entering the house and arresting her parents and sister; how Radmela, the 11‐year‐old daughter of the Shtokovitch family, followed her mother’s instructions and grabbed Rena and took her to another house and hid her under a bed; living with the Shtokovitch family until the end of the war; being taken by the Jewish Community of Belgrade to a Jewish orphanage; remaining there until 1949; learning that her parents and little sister were held in a Banitsa prison in Belgrade and executed in Yanitsa, Serbia on April 17, 1942; being taken with other Jewish orphans to Israel on the “Radnik” in 1949; being taken to Kibbutz Ma'barot and living there until 1953 when she was drafted into the Israeli Army; moving to Kibbutz Nahshon, where she met her husband (Avi Shpancer); her Polish husband’s story of survival; and visiting Berschevitch with her children.