Overview
- Interview Summary
- Mietek Pemper describes the relationship between Itzhak Stern and Oskar Schindler; Stern's influence to save Jews; General Julius Schindler's inspection of the Płaszów armaments factory; the conversion of Płaszów to concentration camp on January 10, 1944; his experiences as Amon Goeth's stenographer from March 18, 1943 to September 1944; Goeth's indiscriminate brutality and inconsistencies of character; the relationship between of Schindler and Goeth as well as their characters; Schindler's motives for relationship with Goeth; his comparison of Schindler and Julius Madritsch; the health selection at Płaszów May 7, 1944; his knowledge through access to secret documents; Schindler's attempts to save Płaszów Jews and his motives; the poor quality of Brinnlitz production; the non-productivity of Brinnlitz, which was covered up by Schindler; Schindler's attitudes towards Jews, his concept of Schindlerjuden, and his post-war failures; Schindler's relations with Brinnlitz camp commandant Josef Leipold; and how Schindler maneuvered his transfer to the battle front in May 1945.
- Interviewee
- Mietek Pemper
- Interviewer
- Jon Blair
- Date
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interview:
1983 January 28
Physical Details
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- Documentary films.
- Extent
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1 sound cassette (90 min.).
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- Restrictions on use. Permission to copy and/or use recordings in any production must be granted by the Imperial War Museum and by the copyright holder, Thames Television.
Keywords & Subjects
- Topical Term
- Concentration camp inmates--Selection process. Holocaust, Jewish (1939-1945)--Personal narratives. Jews--Poland. Stenographers--Poland. World War, 1939-1945--Concentration camps--Czechoslovakia. World War, 1939-1945--Concentration camps--Poland. World War, 1939-1945--Jews--Poland. World War, 1939-1945--Jews--Rescue. Men--Personal narratives.
- Personal Name
- Pemper, Mieczysław, 1920-2011. Goeth, Amon Leopold, 1908-1946. Madritsch, Julius, 1906-1984. Stern, Itzhak, 1901-1969. Leipold, Josef, 1913-1949.
- Corporate Name
- Brünnlitz (Concentration camp) Płaszów (Concentration camp)
Administrative Notes
- Holder of Originals
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Imperial War Museum
- Legal Status
- Permanent Collection
- Provenance
- The interview with Mietek Pemper was conducted for a documentary concerning the German industrialist Oskar Schindler by Thames Television for the television program entitled "Schindler." The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum acquired a copy of the interview from the Imperial War Museum in February 1995.
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