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Oral history interview with Debora Korolchuk Brenner

Oral History | Digitized | Accession Number: 2019.42.1 | RG Number: RG-50.030.1012

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    Oral history interview with Debora Korolchuk Brenner

    Overview

    Interview Summary
    Debora Korolchuk Brenner, born December 25, 1937 in Ostrów Mazowiecka, Poland, discusses her prewar life with her parents Menachem and Leah Korolchuk and her sister Celia; her parents’ occupations as teachers; the family’s flight to Russian-occupied Snov (Snoŭ), Belarus to escape the Nazis; the German occupation of Snov; pogroms in which her father was badly injured; hiding with her family and a couple others in a small storage space during a massacre of the town’s Jews; seeing the boots of Nazis as they searched the home; her father’s idea to open the doors and windows of the home beforehand, making it appear as if they had already fled; appearing the next day from their hiding place and wandering the area for days, hungry and in constant fear of being caught; knocking on the door of a random farmhouse and being greeted by Ivan Rudkovsky who recognized her father as a teaching colleague; her father’s pleas to Mr. Rudkovsky to take in the girls; Mrs. Rudkovsky’s demand for gold coins and jewelry before she would agree; the Rudkovskys' decision to only take in her since she had blonde hair and blue eyes while her sister was darker skinned and more “Jewish-looking”; how her parents and sister joined the Partisans with the help of Mr. Rudkovsky; surviving in hiding with the Rudkovskys; sleeping in the kitchen and being forced to work on the farm; having only chickens as friends; suffering physical and emotional abuse from Mrs. Rudkovsky and her children; the children’s attempts to torment her by appearing in sheets and pretending to the ghosts of her parents; a member of the Gestapo who lived next door and seemed to recognize her as a Jew; pretending to be a cousin of the family while encountering Nazis face to face; fights between Mr. and Mrs. Rudkovsky; a shootout between Russians and Germans in the nearby area; seeing the bodies of the dead afterwards; her father’s arrival to the farm to retrieve her in 1944, two and half years after she had gone into hiding; how neither of them recognized each other after what they had endured; her reunion with her mother and sister; her family’s escape across Russian-occupied countries to the west where they ended up in the Föhrenwald displaced persons camp near Munich, Germany; keeping in touch with members of the Rudkovsky family through incongruously pleasant letters; her emotions when she heard about the death of Mrs. Rudkovsky not long after the war; immigrating to the United States in the late 1940s and settling in New York; marrying her husband Paul Brenner and starting a family, and helping in the effort to recognize Mr. Rudkovsky as a Righteous Gentile.
    Interviewee
    Mrs. Debora Korolchuk Brenner
    Interviewer
    James N. Gilmore
    Date
    interview:  2019 February 28
    Geography
    creation: Calabasas (Calif.)

    Physical Details

    Language
    English
    Extent
    1 digital file : MP4.

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    Provenance
    James Gilmore, on behalf of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Oral History Branch, conducted the oral history interview with Debora Brenner on February 28, 2019 in Calabasas, CA.
    Funding Note
    The cataloging of this oral history interview has been supported by a grant from the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany.
    Record last modified:
    2023-11-16 08:06:06
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