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Oral history interview with Sophie Cook

Oral History | Digitized | Accession Number: 2018.221.1 | RG Number: RG-50.106.0269

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    Oral history interview with Sophie Cook

    Overview

    Interview Summary
    Sophie Cook (née Zsofi Katherine Koch), born on November 10, 1937 in Budapest, Hungary, discusses her childhood; her father Emery Koch, who was in the heating equipment business selling tiled stoves with iron doors; her mother Maria, who was a secretary for a trading company; their household, in which her grandmother and aunt lived as well as a nanny and a maid; growing up more secular than religious; her younger brother Michael; gentiles taking over her mother’s job in late 1943; learning as a child that it is permissible to lie in order to save your own life; learning the Lord’s Prayer and how to cross herself; being given the false name Sofika Mueller; her parents’ friends taking her and her brother to the villa of the Secretary of the Swedish Embassy; going into hiding with another Jewish family; being unhappy as the maid and the cook were very unpleasant; going to the Convent of the Sacred Heart where there were eight Jewish children; having no connection to her parents; not believing in the Virgin Mary but liking the smell of incense; not being urged to convert; the convent being raided in November 1944 by the Arrow Cross, who warned the nuns not to shelter Jews; pretending to be sick while the Arrow Cross was there; leaving the convent with the other Jewish children and walking during the night to the ghetto while being led by a nine year old boy; her brother staying behind and living in the convent kitchen; knowing about death even at the age of seven because she had read about a child being shot; identifying with a girl with a bleeding arm holding a doll in a Nazi propaganda poster; the numerous adults in the ghetto; the apartment building having a yellow star on the roof to warn the Allies not to bomb it; her mother having false papers and her father being in a slave labor camp (he and two friends escaped to Budapest); her mother finding a family willing to shelter Sophie and her brother; the bombing getting heavier and going into the shelter; the Russians coming in 1945; finding out that her grandmother, great-aunt, and grandfather had been murdered; moving into an apartment in the spring of 1945; going to a Jewish girls’ school; moving into Pest in the center of the city when the communists took over; her mother not talking about her aunt and grandmother and not going down to the Danube; going to a boarding school in the Swiss Alps with her brother; the school closing in January 1946; moving with her family to Paris, France in 1949; getting visas after waiting six years and arriving in the United States in May 1951; attending high school and studying the violin; living in Manhattan and not talking about her background; her father setting up a welding company with a man from Budapest who had been in Auschwitz; her mother and aunt working for the Justice Department; going to Radcliffe and Columbia Law School; getting married and having two children; her brother attending Yale and becoming a teacher; her feelings about Germany and Hungary; returning several times to Hungary to see her paternal grandmother; her novel and memoir about her mother and grandmother; working for the Civil Rights Division within the Department of Justice; being the director for the Committee of Concerned Scientists advocating for Russian scientists; how hearing classical music brings back memories of her childhood; feeling she is American; and her thoughts on communism.
    Interviewee
    Ms. Sophie Cook
    Interviewer
    Gail Schwartz
    Date
    interview:  2018 June 11
    Geography
    creation: Rockville (Md.)

    Physical Details

    Language
    English
    Extent
    1 digital file : MP3.

    Rights & Restrictions

    Conditions on Access
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    Conditions on Use
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    Keywords & Subjects

    Personal Name
    Cook, Sophie, 1937-
    Corporate Name
    Nyilaskeresztes Párt.

    Administrative Notes

    Provenance
    Gail Schwartz, on behalf of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Oral History Branch, conducted the interview with Sophie Cook on June 11, 2018 in Washington, DC.
    Funding Note
    The cataloging of this oral history interview has been supported by a grant from the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany.
    Record last modified:
    2023-11-16 08:13:24
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